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The Bible records history found nowhere else discovered in the 20th century. Ignore at your own peril but every knee will bow to Him.

The Bible records that Christ was born in the days of Herod the Great, who died, in 4 BCE, and also during the first census that took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria, and he began to rule in 6 CE. So the Bible can be dismissed as reliable history.

My eyes are open. Mark 16:9-20 NKJV has an asterisk next to it because it isn’t in the original manuscript. Someone else added it after the fact. To me, this refutes the entire Bible. A perfect God would have written a perfect book.

Mark 16:7 "But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee..."

Luke 24:34 (Still in Jerusalem): "The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon..."

PSYCH!

Christ paid a horrendous price on the cross of Calvary for the sake of our sins and eternity.

He got back up on Sunday morning though. So he lost half a weekend. Horrendous price!

Great story! And he said things like this: "Only once in sacred Scripture is an attribute of God elevated to the third degree. Only once is a characteristic of God mentioned three times in succession. The Bible says that God is holy, holy, holy."

That's good, because I wouldn't want to worship a god that was just holy, or even one that was holy holy.

The responses are that Aquinas didn't ascribe divine immobility as an attribute to God, but rather the idea of immobility is part of His immutability. The reality is that you can't get there from here.

If all that exists is the Unmoved Mover and he creates something and sets it into motion, maybe the created thing is stationary and the Unmoved Mover is actually moving away from it. There's no way to say one way or the other. Galileo said.

Which scientific experiment debunked St. Thomas’s arguments?

The detection of muons created by cosmic rays in the upper atmosphere, which take longer than their half-life of 2 microseconds to reach Earth, which proves Special Relativity, which in turn nullifies the claim that the order of cause and effect is absolute (same all observers).

The Bible says Satan will be loosed on earth for a season before the final day. In other words, it will be bad.

One time God was loosed on Earth for a season and everybody drowned except for eight folks. How much worse could it be under Satan?

Ok but in the end it doesn't matter if atheists claim to not believe in a holy triune God. He is real and so is everything in the bible. Living under the law in the old testament, was done away with (except the 10 commandments) when Jesus came and fulfilled the law perfectly.

Why did the 10 commandments stick around, couldn't Jesus fulfill those too?

You don’t know the Bible. The NT says there is a sin that deserves the death penalty (murder). To not support the death penalty for murder would be tantamount to denying Gods law which is as bad as supporting the murder of children in the first place.

And here I thought Christ said, "It is finished" when he paid the penalty for sin with his own death. Now we find out that was only for most sins, and you still have to die for the sin of murder. Who knew?

You do know Jesus said “I did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.” It’s cringy watching people who don’t know the Bible try to use the Bible to win arguments against people that do. But it’s amazing how many people still think they can.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Talk about cringe

I hope you know that grace is not an attribute. For Aquinas grace is different from God, grace is created

If grace is created, then God could not have possessed it from eternity. It is, then, a continent thing with no more divinity than flesh.

The concept of private property extended to things that are public goods - land especially - is a big issue. Related, and bigger, possibly, is wholesale failure to grasp the ontology of money, even amongst economists.

Fiat money has no ontology, only epistemology. A dollar does not have an inherent value. Rather, we can only say a dollar currently fetches so much gold, or so many pounds sterling.

It's just Schrödinger's equation without the additional nonsense, you can't cancel the ontology of the wavefunction

That's like saying the value of a home actually exists as a fact, in a range centered about the asking price, and this value "collapses" to a definite value when the sale closes. In truth, the value of a home only becomes a fact at closing, and then it is only momentarily real.

I like St. Thomas Aquinas's argument: 1. Knowledge involves the intellect grasping the forms of many things. 2. Material bodies can only have one form. 3. Therefore, the intellect is not a material body.

The intellect consists of memories and thoughts which in turn consists of the activity of material brain cells. If you say the intellect does not emerge from that activity, then what is the purpose of, for example, Broca's Area (the speech center) in the human brain?

He’s making a major mistake here. Yes, of course, we can tell what good is using our rational factualities without knowing God. He’s making a major mistake here. Yes, of course, we can tell what good is using our rational factualities without knowing God. What does that MEAN though? St. Thomas Aquinas is clear citing Aristotle “Goodness is what all desire.”

Aristotle saying goodness is what all desire is no more valid than Paul saying even unbelievers actually know of God's existence and divine nature from observing the world. It's a bare assertion of psychological data without even a poll to back it up. Given that goodness is what all rational men desire, and given that men desiring that which goes contrary to their nature are irrational, when you claim "goodness is what all desire" you are claiming in turn that no one is irrational.

Aquinas didn't follow Aristotle wholesale. Take the question of whether God knows future contingents. Aristotle said they can't be known, since that rules out freedom. Aquinas countered by saying they aren't future to God.

God's knowledge of the situation at Sodom was future knowledge to him:

Genesis 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

It's interesting to read which tribes grew or were decimated over the 40 yr period. The God in Numbers was more genocidal God than the God of Exodus when it came to His own cult followers. Did He kill millions? If the numbers are to be believed, yes.

In Samuel/Kings we read the LORD smote 50,000 here, David smote 40,000 footmen there, the Philistines fell 30,000 footmen of Israel in another place, and the best estimate by archaeologists gives us a population of about 300,000 folks in Samaria at the peak of their influence.

Actually, the death penalty isn't even an "evil" at all according to Saints Paul, Augustine, and Aquinas. Popes have condemned it since V2, but the Council of Trent endorses the death penalty.

Say, isn't this the same church that in 1252, in the Papal Bull Ad Extirpanda, authorized the use of torture to force heretics to confess their heterodoxy, provided they were not killed or seriously maimed in the process?

Again, Jesus Christ is my leader not Bergoglio. If a Pope proclaims a new Solemn Dogma, I will obey. Last time this happened with Pope Pius XII in 1950, then was Vatican I. And all the others before that. I do not obey man nor his teachings for man is a liar. Not Our Lord.

Jesus, to the men he sent to proclaim the kingdom of God: "He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me."

Benedict XVI is the one and only pope, he never legally resigned. Bergoglio is an antipope.

Canon 332.2 Should it happen that the Roman Pontiff resigns from his office, it is required for validity that the resignation be freely made and properly manifested, but it is not necessary that it be accepted by anyone.

(Not even if neo-Protestant schismatics bitch about it)

Aha, you have to be in the state of grace not a Saint, big difference which most Catholics are not aware of. Our Lord loves the sinner but absolutely hates sin. You cannot encourage and work to kill innocent children and casually receive the Body of Jesus. Thou shall not kill.

Unam Sanctam: "We declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Schismatics commenting on the state of grace of Catholics still in union with the bishop of Rome is a lot to stomach.

God will not force anyone into his presence. Believers have the Holy Spirit to guide us. There is no morality with out Christ. Satan is alive and well and is a user. We just need to pray, pray, and then pray some more.

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. And yet he lived many centuries before Christ."

God loves every one of us regardless of our sins, yes hates the fact we turn against him.

If Nancy Pelosi sins just by voting, does that mean Pelosi voters sin by voting for her? Shouldn't they be denied communion too? Asking for an Internal Revenue Service.

Imagine reading Thomas Aquinas and not believing that there's a First Cause/Unmoved Mover

First Cause fails because time is contingent rather than necessary (it changes) and before there was time, there were no moments over which a cause could act.

Unmoved mover fails because it ignores the law of reciprocity. If you toss a brick from an ice sled, your sled moves.

C915 gives mandate. Point of correction, it is not about voting but rather Pelosi who claims status of devout Catholic manifests, encourages, champions abortion for many years despite Archbp's misgivings. My dear friend, there's no meaning if we continue to disobey.

CCC 2272 implies Catholics should not present themselves for communion if they formally cooperate in "an abortion" (as in someone who drives a woman to the doctor). All the USCCB has to do is clarify that voting for pro-choice politicians also qualifies as formal cooperation.

The Catholic take rarely heard is that Aquinas, borrowing of course from Aristotle, said "ensoulment" (the fetus getting a soul) didn't take place until 40 days into pregnancy for boys and 80 days in for girls. Awful shit, but the Aquinas trads never want to touch it.

The Vatican did an about-face in 1869 when somebody pointed out to them that if Mary was conceived without the stain of original sin on her soul, it follows as the night follows the day that she must have had a human soul at conception.

Infinite time wouldn't need a cause. That and a probability > 0 would suffice. The above satisfies Aquinas at the point he says, "This we call God."

On the contrary, an infinite linear time (as distinguished from eternity) still flows from the past to the future. It features a present moment which changes. This change makes it contingent rather than necessary, and all that which is not necessary requires a sufficient reason.

Greg Locke is worldly preacher. The Bible says to distance ourselves from it (2 Corinthians 6:17).

On the contrary, it is written (Luke 19:13) - And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

In the parable, the master rewarded 2 servants but punished the last. The same is true for us. We get rewarded for the good things we do & punished for every bad action. That’s why we are to do good for other people & use God’s given abilities to make life better for OTHERS.

If we absent ourselves from the world, we are like the servant that buried his talents, fearing that he might have to report a loss. That didn't please the Master at all.

If that were true, it would be touted everywhere. It’s the opposite. E.g., Isaiah 53 DSS has the protagonists in the plural, rather than singular. Psalm 22 has a typo, and if you remove a letter, it still doesn’t say “pierced”, but “My hands and feet dig [into the earth]”.

Isaiah 53:8 (KJV) He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? ... At no time did Jesus do a stretch in the joint.

By not judging the church as the Bible says 1 Corinthians 5:12-13, we now have churches with gay, lesbian and trans pastors, churches fasting from whiteness, churches praying to the god of pronouns. The world has perverted God’s churches and many of them ignore and mock His word.

If fasting from whiteness perverts God's word, I'd like to know the book, chapter, and verse where it forbids churches fasting from whiteness.

It says in the Bible that in the last days God will remove the Great Comforter, the Holy Spirit from the earth. I think HE has.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:..

Now that the Holy Spirit is gone that means Christians have no one leading them to all truth. So we can safely ignore what they have to say about the Bible.

The Bible says God hates the shedding of INNOCENT blood. Nothing more innocent than an unborn baby

Sure, God hates it. Except when he does it.

"Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die." --Nathan, to David, announcing his penance for the sin adultery and murder.

Prayers are useless unless backed up by action. Even the Bible says Gid helps those who help themselves.

The Bible does not say that.

The Bible, however, DOES say (John 15:5): " I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."

The Bible says that the steps of a good man or woman are ordered by the Lord.

Also Bible (Luke 18:19): And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

The Bible says, Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic church says, No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep the first day of the week.

Jesus, to St. Peter, first Pope of the Roman Catholic Church:

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

God says in the Holy Bible, Genesis 12:3, I WILL CURSE THOSE WHO CURSE ISRAEL!!!

Paul on the Jews (1 Thess. 2:15): "Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men"

I guess that means God cursed Paul.

The Bible has always been ahead of science. In fact, science has repeatedly changed over the years, but the truth of the Bible never changes. The Bible is HISTORICALLY CONFIRMED. The Bible is PROPHETICALLY ACCURATE. And the Bible is SCIENTIFICALLY CORRECT.

Bible:

1. Water molecules preceded the electromagnetic field and the stellar nucleogenesis of oxygen.

2. Bats are birds.

3. Precipitation does not return to the sky.

4. Some animals can talk.

5. There is a mountain summit high enough to see all the kingdoms of the earth.

You seem to be implying that the entire Bible is completely devoid of historical fact. I find this difficult to believe. Is it not true that the Assyrians were defeated by the Babylonians, who were in turn defeated by the Medo-Persians?

There was no such thing as the Medo-Persians. Sure, there were Medes and there were also Persians. King Nabonidus of Babylon fell to Cyrus the Great of the First Persian Empire. There is no record of a "Darius the Mede" outside of the book of Daniel.

Atheists cringe at the idea of God but are ready to believe that black holes regulate their entropy with the help of virtual particles.

Stephen Hawking offered some math to back that up. The Bible says pi times ten is thirty.

Aquinas: “God is altogether immutable ... [He is] in Himself all the plenitude of perfection of all being. He cannot acquire anything new.”

Great. That means God doesn't even know what time it is, because to know the present time as present is to acquire new knowledge.

…God is both loving and just. So He MUST punish sin. But that would mean we would all be punished. This sacrifice made Christ eligible to take on that “debt”…

Proverbs 26:10 (KJV) The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.

Ecclesiastic I was reading yesterday in the Bible, it says there is a time to kill and a time for living .\

Sure there's a time to somebody to kill, but THOU shalt not kill.

When the Bible says that the word that proceeds from Gods mouth will not return to Him void; it's true. If He said it, He will do it!

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Psalm 121:7-8 The Lord will keep you from all evil; he will keep your life. The Lord will keep your going out and your coming in from this time forth and forevermore.

Hitler: "Halten mein bier."

we disproved life coming from nonlife experimentally in 1840s. Where's your experiment showing it happened? hmmm, SCIENCE, riiiiiiight?

If life only comes from life, who's the daddy of the Living God? If you make an exception for him, then we can make an exception for the first living cell to arise from trial-and-error using non-living organic chemistry.

Also, you realize, families are artificial constructs based on looks. These constructs were formed back in the 1500s under Linneaus. If done today, all breeds of dogs would be separate species.

That different breeds of dogs CAN be bred together demonstrates that dogs are NOT separate species, which is defined as "a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding. "

1 Corinthians 11:14 KJV Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

God helped Samson only while his hair was long. When it was short, he didn't help him.

Amen! Psa 58:10 The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

Proverbs 24:17 Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth

One example of how accurate the Bible is. “He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.” (Job 26:7, KJV)

1 Samuel 2:8 ...the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them.

Which verse is more accurate, the earth hanging upon nothing, or the Earth set on pillars?

The Left have lost their minds. They claim to be the party of science? The Bible says that there are vast numbers of wicked spirits, mighty satanic beings & evil princes of darkness that rule the unseen world. IMHO I believe they are possessed.

Kind of hard for them to do that when they're all chained up in the pit.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

He also told us to take care of it. Genesis 2:15 “The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it AND KEEP IT.” We are the most important thing to him, he made that clear. But he also told us to humble ourselves, take care of the earth and praise him…

If everything was perfect before the fall, why did Adam need to work the garden and keep it?

I pray it’ll never be too late for you to know the truth. No repentance after death.

1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

“And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.” ~ Genesis 32:28 (KJV)

Sure. Never call him Jacob again.

Genesis 46:2 And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here am I.

@Elishabenabuya

Do atheist believe in an afterlife or that the lights go out when we die

Job 7:9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.

Israel's Godly plan was always on the earth, "the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." "the Lord will be king over all the earth. On that day the Lord will be one and his name one".

1 Peter 2 James 3 John 4 Andrew 5 Bartholomew 6 Simon the Zealot 7 Matthew 8 Philip 9 Thomas 10 The other James 11 Thaddaeus 12 Judas? Matthias? Paul?

It was an angel which spoke with Moses,Moses himself says it and numerous other scriptures. It's God who knew Moses,not the other way around:there shall no man see my face and live...

How do you see an invisible face?

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Even born again Christians still sin, it's human nature and the flesh is corrupted. The power of JESUS is that his blood cleanses you of all sins if you truly believe. If everyone who broke the rules went to hell then there would be nobody in Heaven cept GOD

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Priests do not have their tongues consecrated. Only the hands. Listen to St Thomas Aquinas: nothing touches it but what is consecrated (Summa question 82).The Israelites couldn't even touch the side of the mountain where God was residing. But your unconsecrated hands are fine.

What will consecrate the hands more effectively than the Blessed Sacrament itself?

Heb. 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? @AbbabeBlake

I think the Aussie lunatic that is Ken Hamm addressed this once. He said that aliens would not receive salvation because Jesus didn't die for their sins, he dies for ours.

He needs to grab "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection", put it in his tucker bag, waltz his matilda down to the nearest billabong, find himself a coolibah tree to sit under, light a nice fire, and crack the book open while he waits for the billy to boil.

This I knew. Friday of the crucifiction week was a high holiday for the Jewish people. No crucifiction could have taken place on a High Jewish Sabbath. The regular weekly sabbath followed on Saturday. Three days and three nights in the tomb was a literal 3 days and nights

The Romans crucified Jesus. They didn't observe Jewish holidays, and they used crucifixion as state terrorism to frighten the Jews. They could have crucified Jesus on Passover, Yom Kippur, or any day of the week. That said, Luke 23:56 has him buried just before the Sabbath.

"He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth."

- Isaiah 53:7.

Ever read the gospel of John? Jesus answered every question Pilate had, except "What is truth?"

... I am with you always -Matthew 28:20

Also Jesus: "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always." ~Matthew 26:11

For every Bible verse, there is an equal and opposite Bible verse.

Without the Holy Spirit, it is impossible to believe the Bible. This is not just egregious error, it's unbelief manifested by the devil who has his hand.

Does the Bible make the claim that the Holy Spirit is required to believe it, or is that merely a tradition of men?

Yes, death is the ultimate form of spiritual warfare. Satan would love for any person who has heard about Jesus to die in unbelief.

But sometimes Jesus causes unbelief:

"Unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."

Here's one that will blow your mind. Before the law, there was no sin.

Genesis 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.

It’s so sad. They fail to read Paul’s letter that shared all food is clean and we don’t have to fear food offered to idols.

Apparently Paul forgot the ruling of St. James in Jerusalem.

Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Matthew 11:14 Malachi 4:5-6 Of course John wasn't the literal Elijah but he had the spirit of Elijah. That's the difference. He was the fulfillment of that promise. Thanks

Eve didn't take anything as gospel so she tested the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil to see if it really killed you within a day, or it just conferred a sense of ethics like the snake said. She was the first scientist. I like to think I have the spirit of Eve.

God knows all things. As a Molinist I believe that God predestines all things, but does so with a knowledge of all possible worlds and in a way that leaves free will intact. For example, God predestines the gifts of salvation to all those who choose Christ.

He has foreknowledge and also the power to predestine. These are two separate things and free will has no room to operate.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Nothing can take away your Salvation in Christ Jesus. Bcoz. Greater is He that is in you that him who (satan, sin, evil, darkness, etc) is in the world. Nothing is Greater than God, Christ & the Holy Ghost living in you.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

I don't take pride in my sins. There are sins that are not fatal and sins that are fatal (1John 5:16-17)- like abortion and murder. It is a cause for remorse and repentance, not pride and celebration. We are called for repentance now. There is no chance of repentence after death

1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Mark 6:16 (CSB) When Herod heard of it, he said, “John, the one I beheaded, has been raised! ”

Luke 9:9 And Herod said, John have I beheaded: but who is this, of whom I hear such things? And he desired to see him.

For every Bible verse, there is an equal and opposite counter-verse.

So Isaiah doesn't have "pierced for our transgressions"?

It has that, and five verses later it says, "Yet it pleased the LORD to crush him by disease..."

https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1053.htm

A sacrificial lamb with disease was disqualified.

“Out of reverence for this Sacrament nothing is to touch It except the CONSECRATED hands of a priest.” St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa

Luke 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves

How could they obey without touching it? @AbbabeBlake

Implying God *learns* means God has potential to “become” and therefore changes, and that would make Him mutable and imperfect and therefore not God. How fast do you suppose Aquinas is spinning in his grave?

God changes all the time. Why, God the Son himself got smarter and smarter every day!

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

God as God does not change. This is why Aquinas especially made such an important distinction between Christ’s human and divine natures; one could suffer and die while the other was inviolable. To say the Father suffers in the Son is an ancient but sadly recurring heresy.

I'm not talking about changes that happen to Christ's body, such as growing taller, which I admit God cannot do. I'm talking about his intellect, which Luke claims increased as the child aged, in light of Aquinas defining angels as spirit beings with only intellect and will.

Pilates question “what is truth” answered: God is truth

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11

So many Christians have been taught that the 7 year Tribulation is the same as God's Wrath. That's simply not true! The Bible says they are separate - they are not the same! I go through scripture to show this.

"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." -- Jesus

You're saying God's wrath won't be as bad as the Tribulation.

Add Newton’s first law of motion: a body at rest stays at rest, a body in motion stays in motion - unless acted on by an external force. So if you go back before the Big Bang - ALL matter just sat there. What acted on it to get it moving. The unmoved mover

Well, let's go visit Mister More. I see your Newton's First Law, and raise Newton's Third Law: " For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." The Unmoved Mover violates this law of reciprocity.

Where in the Bible God says for us Christians to lay down and wait for him to save us while evil takes over the world?

Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

The Bible says that God stretched out the heavens. It doesn’t say he had to do it at the speed of light, I’m sure he can do it at any speed. Hence it appears that the universe is much older than it is, because of the speed of light.

That's great, but after he stretched the heavens out so far that entire galaxies look like little fuzzy dots, the light from those little fuzzy dots still needed billions of years to get here because light travels at the speed of, you know, light.

When Was Christ Born? The Bible Says September 11, 3 B.C-the Day of the Feast of Trumpets

The Bible also says it was when Publius Sulpicius Quirinius was governor of Syria (which included the province of Judea), sometime in 6 or 7 AD.

The Bible says that light and dark cannot occupy the same space; light with always drive away the dark. In the same way, if God's light isn't allowed in schools, then there a lot of big empty spaces for the darkness and dark things to fill.

Also Bible (Exodus 20:21): And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was. @Elishabenabuya

It's signs and people being used to confirm things mostly. Never a voice, the Bible says no one has heard God's voice.

On the contrary, it is written (Deuteronomy 4:33): Did ever people hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as thou hast heard, and live?

Amen...there is a divine, distinct pattern and order that we see in God's creation. The Bible says His attributes are clearly seen throughout His creation, therefore, man is without excuse in his failure to acknowledge the Most High God.

At the same time, we're told the universe is really only 6,000 years old, even though God made it to look like it's billions of years old. So one of God's attributes is that he's a trickster.

Try actually reading the whole Bible. Jesus said that Satan is the ruler of this world it says so go actually read it. Stop pretending you are educated when clearly your unable to read a large book

On the contrary, it is written (Matthew 28:18) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

There is no good without being. “Good” does not exist by itself.

On the contrary, it is written by the Apostle that there is a good without being:

Romans 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

It's their arguments for atheisn/against religion that Feser refutes.

It's the Bible's claim of a god which is simultaneously omniscient (Psalm 147:5) and with contingent knowledge (Genesis 18:21) that refutes theism, among many other such critical contradictions. It's a self-refuting ice cream cone. Atheists don't even need to interfere.

Scripture sometimes uses overly anthropomorphic language with regards to God, which is understandable considering who Genesis was originally written for. So no, that Genesis passage doesn't contradict God's omniscience. Nice try though.

The try is sufficient to rule out the god described by any existing translation of scripture.

https://biblehub.com/genesis/18-21.htm

If you have a god described by something with less anthropomorphic language I'll take a look at it, but with less enthusiasm because anybody can write anything.

Random thought: Why do Atheists celebrate Christmas if they don’t believe in a religion?

We hang tinsel on trees and sing songs about Santa Claus coming to town even though we don't believe in the New Testament, for the reason we dye Easter eggs and eat chocolate bunnies: because that's not in the New Testament either.

Amen... Amen.. Amen.. Jesus said.. I shall always be with you.. Matthew 28:20....

Also Jesus (John 12:8): For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

Few women in their mid 20s remain virgins. The majority are violating the moral law in their singleness. It is a command in the moral law to be fruitful and multiply. I also asked if you would tell them that they were simply in error? Would you?

Moral law? St. Paul: "It is good for a man not to touch a woman."

Correct; by virtue of His human nature, he willingly underwent physical death. This is not the same thing as subordinationism, nor does this have anything to do with your claim of subordination to *God*, nor is it a subordination of the *divine* nature.

On the contrary, it is written (1 Cor.15:28): And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Deist, or theist, both are equally not atheists. They all held some form of natural law theory of morality based on God, and that’s why the fact that men were created equal was significant.

A deist god doesn't hold my hand down on the stove top for all eternity to punish me for touching it.

Mostly animals got two of each, but the best animals got seven, right?

After Moses submitted his manuscript the publisher said, "You can't have Noah sacrificing 'of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl' because then you'll end up with just one of each and those species will end." So he went back to his word processor and bumped up the numbers.

Christ is God. He's not subordinate to Himself.

On the contrary, it is written (Philippians 2:8): And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Good Lord, this is bad. You're obfuscating the meaning of "human sacrifice." Willingly sacrificing your own life out of love, especially in the face of persecution, is *not* ritual killing

On the contrary, etc..

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Theistic morality is grounded in a universal Good which is beyond the personal preferences of human beings.

Universal Good: "Do not commit murder."

Universal Good, later: "Murder your helpless war captive, King Agag."

That's why atheists reject the "objective" morality of theism. Not via emotion. It's actually based on the changing whim of a capricious deity, which is subjective.

Ok. Why should anyone believe that code of ethics?

At a certain point in his or her life, a human being must choose to remain under the code of conduct of his or her parents and priests, or to choose a set of values by his or her own judgment. If the latter, then subsequent decisions become a reflection of who a person truly is.

Similarly, yes, God is necessarily omnibenevolent, but you don’t have to believe that to refer to God.

The god described in the Bible sends evil upon his own people from time to time. That god is not omnibenevolent. It is the god of the Bible that I do not assent has existence. No doubt theologians describe an omnibenevolent god, but at least the Bible is not a moving target.

Morality is a human construct. We invented it. It only exists in our minds. That's why we have disagreement about it. If it was universal we would have no arguments about it.

And if Bible morality was objective, then Christians would still be taking Saturday off instead of Sunday.

1. It follows from divine simplicity that God always wills what is good. God’s will is identical to His goodness, so He always wills what is good. Thus, the charge of “arbitrariness” is refuted.

He always wills what is good.

1 Samuel 19:9-10 And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand. And Saul sought to smite David even to the wall with the javelin...

Well! That escalated quickly!

Thomas Aquinas said the soul is the shape of the body. Best thought I’ve heard ever.

Shape is not a thing, but it emerges from a series of events. An atom does not "have" a shape as an attribute. Rather, its shape is described by a partial differential equation that in turn describes what its electrons do. And the body is made up of these atoms.

YOU can't think of a way to reject slavery. That's what we're saying

All I have to do is affirm that it is self-evident that men are endowed with the right to liberty. Whether someone lacks the moral clarity to reject slavery on those terms, or refuse to denounce it because their source of objective morality embraces it makes no difference to me.

Whether or not you believe God exists, isn't the issue here. The issue here is whether the God of the Bible is a he, she, or anything in between. The Bible says He is a he.

It also said God is an invisible spirit, so how did any of the Bible's authors know God's a he if they never saw his pecker?

That was an angel speaking out of the bush. Exodus 3:2 [2]And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM...

If you tell me that an angel said that to Moses, then an angel claimed to be the great I AM.

The Bible also says that God knew us before we formed in the womb. God didn't say life starts at birth

If he knew us BEFORE we formed in the womb I guess that means life begins BEFORE conception, right? @AtheistEngineer

If He curses to The 4th generation, do they have free will not to be cursed? Don't we pay for our parents sin?

Adam and Eve.

Ezekiel 18:20

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

God created Mary so He could easily make her pregnant

So easy he just went ahead and did it and informed Joseph of that fact later.

Matthew 1:22 ...the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

WOW the Bible says those that are effeminate shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Is America a Christian nation or not?

The gospel according to Carl: "Salvation is by the grace of God grasped by belief in the crucified and risen Christ, plus you have to be as manly as Mike Ditka."

The death Jesus save us from is eternal death..those dead in Christ arent dead in true definition but sleeping..they will awake to eternal life..Hell brings eternal death

Funny how people in "eternal death" still feel pain and talk.

Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Pray that the Rapture will come

Amos 5:18 - Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Friendly reminder: the Bible says you shouldn’t work out. “The wicked run when no one is chasing them”- Proverbs 28:1 Therefore running is the devil.

For every Bible verse, there is an equal and opposite Bible verse:

1 Cor. 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

No sleep for the wicked the Bible says. But Biblical God don’t sleep

On the contrary, it is written (Ecclesiastes 9:2) - All share a common destiny—the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad, the clean and the unclean, those who offer sacrifices and those who do not. As it is with the good, so with the sinful...

The slave in the Bible is not a property but a worker, under similar conditions as in 18th-19th century Europe.

Oh, really, did female workers in 19th Century Europe have to work for one guy for the rest of their life ala Exodus 21:7 ?

I'll try again. If there is a designer who could have designed the universe differently (e.g., different constants), then the constants could have been different (branched off from the actual world). This is compatible with Aristotelian modality.

A world with different constants would either BE the actual world, or it would not be. A branch that is not detectable in the actual world is indistinguishable from a non-existent branch, and a branch that is detectable would be, by definition, part of the actual world.

The teleological argument is really an argument _to_ design rather than _from_ design. Even so, the fact (if it so) that the universe is a product of design would seem to make atheism less plausible.

The god described in the Bible continues to interact with its creation. Atheism is the conclusion this god has not been demonstrated to exist. Atheism says nothing about a being who designed and created the universe and then isolated itself from further interaction.

"You cannot ask the probability of having the laws of physics and the constants of nature" This objection seems to fail the fine-tuned meteor shower test (it seems crazy to say we can't ask about the probability of the constants there).

The speed of light is constant for all observers and is about 300,000 km/sec. How big is the possible hit-space for that constant? Does it range from 1 to 1,000,000 km/sec, or only from 290,000 to 310,000 km/sec? You can't calculate a distribution from one piece of data.

If you want to know the technical details involved in how things like "hit space" are used, see this paper...

Okay, I'll ask it another way:

Given that the speed of light is a constant in our universe, rather than a variable, what argument do you have that it is possible for it to be different from what it is observed to be?

I make no claims about that one way or the other. That's not really one of the fine-tuned parameters that Luke Barnes talks about in his article.

But all parameters that are alleged to be "tuned" are constants, so the same argument for c would apply for, say, the fine-structure constant. We don't see them change in our universe, so there's no reason to expect them to be different in counterfactual universes.

That's true, but Republican women believe they are allowed to sin. They do not apply their own rules to anyone who Jesus forgave

Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

D'oh!

Well, sort of. For reasons I explain in the video: (a) I think her objections work more or less against physical probability, but they're still basically worthless; and (b) when she _does_ address epistemic probability, she gives unsuccessful (if unclear) objections.

"Physical probability" is a category mistake. Probability is evaluated against a set of immaterial records about individual events. A coin is material. The probability of 0.5 that it will land heads after being repeatedly flipped applies to the record of results of said flips.

No, but I think the point is that without God there are no objective values; the objective value for anything would be zero, worthless. Hence, a farce.

God's "objective" value not to commit murder was modified by God on a whim when he commanded Saul to murder a captive King Agag. So it's not so objective.

Of course there's such a thing as physical probability; e.g., a certain radioactive atom having a 50% of decaying within its half-life is an example of what I mean by physical probability.

Given a large ensemble of such atoms, there will always be some atoms that immediately decay, and some atoms that never seem to decay. Most will decay on time, but this is known only a posteriori when probability (which refers to an expectation ) no longer applies in any sense.

Physics is a fun hobby, but probability and statistics is what I actually do. So I would love to hear more about this disagreement.

This Maverick fellow claims that a probability of 0.5 of decaying within time t after an atom's creation is a fundamental physical property of that atom. As you know, on a fundamental level QM is entirely deterministic, and probability deals with atom observations, not the atom.

In the entire Bible, the only part where God tells you to test Him is when He says to give out of the sincerity of your heart and He will multiple those blessing. So much, in fact, that He says your cup will “overflow”. Do you have the faith to give it a try?

Malachi 3:10 Test me in this,’ says the Lord Almighty...

Matthew 4:7 "Do not put the Lord your God to the test..."

Sounds like your Bible has a problem.

Christ's greatest command to Christians is " Love Your neighbor as yourself." This is the key that makes Christianity more tolerant than any religion including Atheism.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and make them know that I have loved you.

Such neighborly love!

It's a belief set that 1. There is no God 2. Religion is man made 3. Morality is subjective 4. Atheism is not a belief set. Saying atheism is not a belief set is akin to Christians saying Christianity is not a religion.

Christian: "Morality is objective."

Atheist: "God said never release female slaves."

Christian: "We feel that commandment only pertained to a specific point in history."

Atheist: "God said do not eat pork."

Christian: "We feel that commandment only pertains to Jews."

Take it from an actual philosopher who isn't a Christian (me): "What caused God?" is not a strong argument.

If for every fact there must be a sufficient reason why that fact is the case, then objecting to the exclusion of God from this principle is entirely valid. The alternative is to let stand a fallacy of special pleading.

Atheists generally have a soft spot for Islam, I wonder why? Even in the UK/US, you will never see them criticize Islam. They never force their bakers to bake cakes that they don't want to. But if the baker was Christian, straight to being sued.

Because in this country Muslims are mostly immigrants from places like Somalia and they tend to be poor. Atheists have a soft spot for the poor, just like Jesus. I wonder why his so-called followers don't?

I'm not sure what point you want to make. Do you agree with me because "What caused the universe?" isn't a strong argument either, or disagree because you think dismissing a "what caused" question is equivalent to saying we don't need strong evidence to be sure of God, or what?

One argument for the existence of a creator is that a chain of facts and their sufficient reasons cannot be traced back to infinity. We then are asked to suspend that procedure in the sole case of the initial fact on that chain, which is presented as a given with no explanation.

Historical ignorance. Most Christian wars were to reclaim back stolen lands.

"And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also." -- Jesus Christ

We need to bring Christian philosophy and its understand of the human mind and soul back into psychiatry. I've been reading about treatment of the mentally ill by Orthodox priests & monks - it's stunning how comprehensive it is.

Q. "What is the Christian understanding of the human soul that makes it a good candidate to bring into psychiatry?"

A. "Christians understand all human souls to be in a downfallen state because 6,000 years ago a woman made from a man's rib bone was tricked by a talking snake."

The sin their would be stoning homosexuals. The stoning of homosexuals comes from a verse in like Leviticus. Which were specific laws for the Jewish people of that time. As you can see from the story of Jesus confronting this topic, Christians clearly are not to stone for that

If the specific laws were for a specific people at a specific time, then they were ceremonial laws rather than moral laws. Ceremonial like the law to get circumcised, or to observe one day a week as holy. Because it is ALWAYS wrong to steal, or to kill, or commit adultery.

The CMB is the primordial light from day 3 of creation. Expansion brought it into the low end of the energy spectrum. The CMB is the best metric for determining a finite non-expanding universe and also instant light which removes any time frames for expansion.

Everything that happened on day 3:

1. Waters gathered together. 2. God called the gathered water "Seas". 3. Dry land appeared. 4. God called the land "Earth" 5. Vegetation appeaered. 6. God called it good.

Nothing about light.

Atheists read your book, why don't you?

Genesis 1:1-3 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

You can't have water before light because the electrons that are part of the H2O molecule remain near the hydrogen and oxygen nuclei and organize themselves into shells by exchanging photons (light). So that claim of the Bible fails ab initio.

I disagree. Philosophy is arguably better as a tool for exploring truth. Especially since without philosophy, science wouldn't exist

Analytic philosophy "explores truth" by pouring over a dictionary. Science explores truth by pouring over results from experiments.

According to Maimonides, ad fundamental principle in Judaism is that the laws of nature will never change. This is the meaning of the 7day creation story. A philosophy based on a chaotic world precludes any intelligent decision making

Joshua 10:13: And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

Okay,you believe Allah is the truth right? And my Bible says in Psalms 31:5 that God is truth. To show that Jesus is the God,in John 14:16 Jesus said I am the way,the TRUTH and the life. So Jesus is God

Mark 10:18 "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."

So Jesus is NOT God.

The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are all influenced by Christian philosophy, Geek philosophy and Jewish philosophy

Bible: "Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether it be to the king, as supreme or unto governors that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers."

Declaration of Independence: "George is a rank old sod with shite for brains."

Everything that begins to exist has a cause. The universe began to exist. Therefore the universe has a cause. The cause has to spaceless, timeless, immaterial and enormously powerful. Because the beginning of the universe is the beginning of all spacetime and matter.

Spaceless? "And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD." (Gen. 4:16)

Timeless? "I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it." (Gen. 18:21)

Immaterial? "I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts" (Exo 33:23)

God created space time and mattter, therefore he can enter the physical realm if he chooses. Just because Henry Ford created the Model T doesn’t mean he couldn’t get in it and drive.

Those verses are not about a spaceless, timeless, immaterial being that is in our realm, they literally describe God as spatially confined in a certain place (Cain went out from his presence), as not yet having knowledge (the situation at Sodom), and of having an opaque hand.

I see to reason to think they are irrelevant. They are what they are. Either they’re true or false. If you think they’re false, you should have no issue refuting the argument. Instead you sidestep it.

The claim in the existence of a god who is simultaneously omniscient (Psalm 147:5) and has contingent knowledge (Genesis 18:21) is false by the law of non-contradiction.

The gospel accounts of course. Which are documents of historical biography. The fact they are written so close in time to the events which occurred is strong evidence of their validity.

Two gospel accounts (Matthew and Mark) claim the disciples first saw the risen Christ in Galilee, and two others (Luke and John) claim they first saw the risen Christ in Jerusalem. We cannot decide which of the two pairs are true, so we cannot know if any of them are true.

Not if God can change his level of knowledge at will.

On the contrary, it is written (James1:17): Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

The premises in the Kalam only prove the universe has a cause. So then the question is what is the most reasonable explanation for that cause? You can sidestep the argument all you want. The fact your unwilling to deal with the premises of Kalam shows you have no rebuttal offer

Kalam assumes both parties agree in absolute time, which has no beginning. But time is part of space-time, which is identical to the gravitational field, which in turn is part of the universe under discussion, the universe that has an earliest moment. First demonstrate eternity.

Second law of thermodynamics proves it began to exist. The fact it’s expanding proves it began to exist. Cosmic microwave background proves it began to exist. And of course time itself proves it had a beginning. Time cannot be infinite past.

Great, so you agree there was a moment with no prior moment.

Then you rule out a cause, because the action of that cause must have occurred before there were moments in which they could occur.

My bible says: None is good, not one! Except Yahweh alone.

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

We’ll that’s literally what the bible says, painful childbirth is a punishment

Punishment? Boy that'll teach me to eat from the Tree of the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

WLC claims no one has ever come up with a good argument that God does not exist. I can think of several.

I'm a relational atheist. I don't believe in a god based on its description. The Judeo-Christian god is described as both omniscient (Psalm 147:5) and having contingent knowledge (Genesis 18:21). Apologists try to say Genesis "anthropomorphizes" god but that just means it lies.

“If God does not exist, then objective moral values do not exist” Is a complete non sequitur. It does not follow.

Even if God existed, Christians have chosen not to take Saturday off from work, not to put witches to death, not to abstain from pork, not to eschew raiment of mixed fabrics, and not to get circumcised. If you get to cherry pick God's commandments, they're not so objective.

James, Hebrews, Revelations blatantly contradict Romans. No wonder Martin Luther didn’t want those 3 books in the Bible

Atheist: "James says faith without works are dead."

Believer: "He was only talking about your evidence of faith before men, not God."

Atheist: "Jesus said don't display your good works before men."

Believer: "I'm not going to debate the Bible with an unbeliever." **BLOCK**

They Bible says they will continue further in their sins and even God is hardening their heart. Just like in the times of Pharaoh

So God hardens their heart, then punishes them for being hard of heart.

what is a tensor (don't use math to explain

A fart in a room is a scalar field.

A fart in a room with a fan trying to push it out a window is a vector field.

A fart in a room with a fan trying to push it out a window and the fart itself is fighting back by trying to move toward safety along a side wall is a tensor field.

Hebrews 12:1 .. “let us run with patience the race that is set before us..” Great line if you’re trying to start a cult. They’ll think it’s a race, and they’ll want to finish, so they’ll ignore all the evidence to the contrary.

And when you get to the finish line you get the booby prize:

'So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.' (Romans 9:16)

Every Bible verse has an equal and opposite Bible verse.

Women’s autonomy? Really? The Bible says that all who claim Christ as our Savior do NOT belong to ourselves, for we were bought at a price— the precious blood of Jesus. Created life belongs to Him—Not ourselves.

Exodus 21:21 If, however, the slave survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for the slave is his property.

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.


 * "Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.” - Matthew 15:11

Also Bible:

"Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake..."


 * By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified. But now: the righteous of God w/out the law is manifest being witnessed by the law of the prophets.

Also Paul to the Romans:

2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.


 * This is truly love. God has to punish sin. His Son took that punishment so we could attain eternal life. Jesus took what we deserved. Debt = paid in full.

Colossians 1:24 (NIV) - Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.


 * And you don't need to question. The assurance of salvation is one of the greatest gifts given to believers

1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.


 * I believe his objections were against the people not the religion. The Last Supper was a Passover meal.

If it was, he celebrated it a little early.

John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!


 * The Mass is a "Re-Creation or Enactment" of Jesus last Last Passover Event, Which preceeded his Passion and Crucifixion.

Exodus 12:

[22] ...and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning.

[24] And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.

Jesus went for a night stroll after the "Passover" meal. Not a very good Jew, was he?


 * There is NO SUCH THING as an Immortal Soul, This is a Catholic Church created Lie. The Scriptures are very clear: "The Soul that Sinneth shall Surely DIE." & "Even King David, a man after God's own Heart is still in his Tomb unto this day."(for several thousand years now).*

1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.


 * Ez 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him

"I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me." -- God, Exodus 20:5


 * 1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Also 1 John:

(3:9) - Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


 * Born again does not take place until the return of Jesus Christ when the resurrected dead & we who are yet living join him in the clouds & in the Twinkling of an eye (blink) that which is Flesh is made Spirit (Born Again) & all receive eternal life (Salvation).*

On the contrary, it is written (1 Peter 1:22-23) born again is in the past tense, not a future event:

"...see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible..."


 * Did not God tell Adam & Eve that if they ate of the tree of knowledge of Good & Evil they would become as God's knowing Good & Evil & having the power over Life & Death & Eve said to the Serpent if they ate the fruit or touched the tree in the Midst of the garden they would DIE.*

No, God told Adam, before Eve was made (Genesis 2:17) that he would die on the day that he ate the fruit.

Satan told Eve (Genesis 3:5) that she would gain knowledge of Good and Evil.

They ate the fruit, Adam did not die that day, and they gained knowledge of good and evil.


 * Jesus was perfect and undefiled. That means He was never "with" a woman.

The Bible says Jesus was made perfect, which means he wasn't perfect until then.

Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.


 * Mark 9:25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.

Deaf Spirit: "What?"


 * Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.*

But the Ten Horns are the good guys, right? Because they hate the Whore of Babylon. Right?

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.


 * It was credited to Abraham as righteousness, it wasn't earned. There is no one righteous, no not one. Romans 3:10 - 12  Psalm 14: 1-3  Psalm 53: 1-3

Luke 1:5-6 There was... a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.


 * “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”*


 * John 3:16 KJV - “world” is kos'-mos means “in a wide or narrow sense” is God’s elect here, same Greek word in John 17:9 of non-elect.

Also John (12:32): "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”


 * Psalm 18: a psalm of King David, from the lineage of Christ Yeshua

Sure, David wrote Psalm 18, even though the temple was constructed after David died.

Psalm 18:6 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears.


 * He missed this memo: “Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:5-6 KJV

John 16:5 But now I am going to him who sent me. None of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’


 * James 1:13 God never tests anyone at any time he knows very well.

Judges 2:21-22 I will no longer drive out before them any of the nations Joshua left when he died. I will use them to test Israel and see whether they will keep the way of the Lord and walk in it as their ancestors did.


 * KNOW YOUR COMMANDMENTS The King That TheMostHigh Chooses Must Be Appointed. DEUTERONOMY 17:15

1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

That escalated quickly.


 * For it is impossible for blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Iḇ`rim (Hebrews) 10:4 TS2009

Numbers 15:27-28 And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly...to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.


 * God alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen. 1 Tim 6:16

1 Kings 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in thick darkness.


 * ...that the Christ must suffer and that, by being the first to rise from the dead, he would proclaim light both to our people and to the Gentiles.

2 Kings 4

[32] And when Elisha was come into the house, behold, the child was dead, and laid upon his bed...

[35] Then he returned, and walked in the house to and fro; and went up, and stretched himself upon him: and the child sneezed seven times, and the child opened his eyes.


 * Want to piss people off? God states in the Old Testament, Deuteronomy 1:7-8 that Israel’s land is from the Euphrates to the Nile. In all their history, they only conquered about 10%. Just a timing issue... God never breaks promises

Numbers 14:30 Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.


 * You're wrong, keep studying. John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.*

Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.


 * Yes, Word (Jesus) was with the Father, THE TRINITY Read 1 John 5:7 KJV “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1 John 5:7-8 (NIV) For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.


 * Matthew : 27 : 14 - And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.

Meanwhile, in the gospel of John, Jesus answers every question Pilate puts to him except "What is truth?"


 * The resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ from the dead, the literal physical bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ is so critical to the Christian gospel that all four gospel writers (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) tell an account of it.*

Q. Who first saw Jesus after the resurrection?

A1: "Mary Magdelene." (Mark 16:9 & John 20:16)

A2: "The Eleven." (Matthew 28:17)

A3: "Cleopas and some other guy." (Luke 24:18)

A4: Paul: "Peter." (1 Corinthians 15:5)


 * Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.


 * That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. Matthew 6:4

Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.


 * 2 Peter 3:10 But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief. On that Day the heavens will disappear with a shrill noise, the heavenly bodies will burn up and be destroyed, and the earth with everything in it will vanish.

Ecclesiastes 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.


 * John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand

Matthew 20:23 ... but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.


 * Matthew 28:8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.

Peter: "Whassup? Why do you have such great joy?"

Mary: "They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him." (John 20:2)


 * No man has gone or will go to heaven, Jesus said it plainly " no man has ascended to heaven..."John 3:13. David is "dead and buried" Acts 2:29. Not in heaven(Acts 2:34).

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.


 * 1 Timothy 6:16 "God is the only One who never dies."

Hebrews 7:3 on Melchizedek:

"Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."


 * At this Peter began to speak, and he said: Now truly I understand that God is not partial but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.  - Acts 10:34-35.  If God does not discriminate why should we.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.


 * 1 Peter 2:-3-14 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.


 * There is also no Archeological evidence of Israelites having been slaves in Egypt. God asked for a census of the number. Didn’t he know? In Bbl up to over 2 million former slaves left. Impossible as that would have made Israelites a superpower and emptied Egypt.

The whole Exodus thing didn't really pan out, if you ask me:

1 Kings 20:15 Then he numbered the young men of the princes of the provinces, and they were two hundred and thirty two: and after them he numbered all the people, even all the children of Israel, being seven thousand.


 * The Romans weren’t into sacrificing to Yahweh (certainly not Pilate). It was an execution. Nothing more.

Matthew: "I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples."

John: "Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas...and went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover."

The gospels can't even get that simple detail straight.


 * The similarity of language and style between the Revelation and John suggest a common authorship. Combined with the unanimous testimony of the early church I dont see any reason to doubt it.

John 21:24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.

Author of John = "We"

Beloved disciple = "his".

We know they're not one because Jesus himself says, "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true."


 * Obadiah Chapter: 1 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that strangers carried away his substance, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.

No love lost there. God hated the father of the Edomites from the gitgo.

"And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness." -- God, Malachi 1:3


 * Jonah is then swallowed by a great fish. Spending three days inside its belly, the prophet prays to God and vows to deliver his prophecy, at which point the fish spits him out

"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." * Fish or whale? We report, you decide.


 * He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,so He opened not His mouth. --Isaiah 53:7 NKJV

Pilate asked, "Art thou the King of the Jews?"

Jesus opened his mouth and said, "Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?"

Pilate answered, "Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?"

Jesus opened his mouth and answered, "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that  I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

Pilate therefore said unto him, "Art thou a king then?"

Jesus opened his mouth and answered, "Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world,  that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the  truth heareth my voice."


 * You say that men made up God. Then why would they "describe God as a bumbling idiot that can't get anything right?"

"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, 'Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.'"

Bumbling idiot.


 * God is good. You can often tell whether or not a thing is of God. If it is of God, it must be good. Honesty, purity, unselfishness, and love are all good, unselfish helpfulness is good, and these things all lead to the abundant life.*

Judges 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech

"God is love." -- St. John. * "And another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to  their works." -- Also St. John
 * "Love is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs." -- St. Paul *


 * This is reminiscent of the ontological argument, first put forth by st anselm of canterbury in 1283. It goes something like: god is perfect. For something to be perfect, it must have the quality of existence. Therefore god exists

Believer: "Here's a bag of apples."

Atheist: "It's empty."

Believer: "Nevertheless, it is a bag of apples, only with zero apples."

Atheist: "It's just an empty bag."

Believer: "No, it is a bag of apples that lacks perfection because the quantity of apples happens to be zero."


 * He was oppressed and He was afflicted yet He opened not His mouth He was led as a lamb to the slaughter and as a sheep before its shearers is silent so He opened not His mouth. (Isaiah 53:7)

Also Bible (Mark 14:61-62) - Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


 * Atheism is an unhinged delusion about an impossible confluence of states and circumstances just happening to exist for no other reason than “it just does”. It’s normalised insanity masquerading as mature intellectualism.

But telepathically telling an invisible man that you accept him as your Lord and Savior because if you don't he will torture you for all eternity for being the descendant of a rib-woman who ate a magic fruit at the behest of a talking snake, why, that's the epitome of sanity.


 * The Bible itself can prove its authenticity. While the atheists, up to this date, cannot prove their theories on how things came to exist.

"If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." -- The Word Made Flesh

Fascinating: whenever we Catholics argue for the existence of God, atheists are now repeating the mantra “Which god?” as if this is somehow compelling. Not only is this post modernist gibberish, God is not a thing, but the necessary and metaphysically ground of all being.

And for some reason the ground of all being being punishes souls for all eternity for eating a hot dog on a Friday of Lent.

"And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." -- The God Who Is Not A Thing, speaking to Moses


 * Reminder that atheists are oblivious of the various genres found in the Bible.

Law genre: "Kill witches and gay guys."

Science genre: "God sent a wind and the 1.1 billion cubic miles of water that covered even Mt. Everest went away."

History genre: "Two million desert migrants stopped at Elim where there was one well for every 167,000 people."


 * "Top US Catholic bishop calls social justice movements ‘pseudo-religion’" It's cute when atheists get mad over a Catholic Bishop actually saying something Catholic

St. James said pure religion before God is to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction. The only reason atheists are mad at the bishop is that he added the prefix "pseudo" to our SJW religion. Then again, deviating from the Bible certainly is a Catholic thing to do.


 * If it's true that the Bible contains scientific facts that were written thousands of years before man discovered them, the implications are staggering. These facts would be evidence that the Bible is the word of God.

1 Water existed 3 days before the stars existed that needed to explode to manufacture the oxygen found in H2O.

2 The circumference of a basin 10 cubits in diameter was given as 30 cubits rather than 31.

3. One third of the stars were cast down to the Earth without undue harm.


 * Isaiah 53 is prophecy about the Messiah being crucified and paying for our sins.

So when verse 10 says, "He shall see his seed" that means Jesus had kids?


 * Many scholars think it was a local flood.

Many scholars ignore what the Bible clearly teaches:

Genesis 7:19 ...and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.


 * I didn’t know it spoke of a worldwide flood. How do you know it wasn’t a local flood?

Genesis 7:21 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died....


 * Now, since Paul kept repeating in his epistles that salvation was by faith alone, not by works, why would he write that? Because the other gospels had elements of works in them. This is what separated Paul's Grace gospel from all other gospels in the Bible.

Jesus (Matthew 19:17): "If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

The gospel according to Paul vs. the gospel according to Christ. We report, you decide.


 * Daniel 9:2 claims that Jerusalem was desolate for 70 years.


 * Since that didn’t happen, any other calculation is going to be really messed up!


 * (Jews in exile for 54 yrs after Jerusalem fell. Then Ezra leading a small group to rebuild almost 80 years later).

Nebbie has a vision of an idol with a (1) head of gold (his empire), (2) arms of silver (Medes), (3) belly of brass (Persians), (4) legs of iron (Greece), (5) feet of clay (Romans).

History didn't wrap up with Rome, so now the feet of clay is the EU and 2 was the MEDO-Persians !


 * By specifying Matthew 24, it seems like they may be alluding to the abomination of desolation.

Matthew relied on Mark, and Mark, writing from the middle of the Jewish war, basically blew off the actual abomination of desolation of the Greeks 200 years earlier and had Jesus "prophesy" a new one. But the Romans just burnt the whole Temple down so Luke deleted "abomination".


 * Correct. Luke necessarily presents the sign of "desolation" as the armies surrounding Jerusalem, as the Temple can't very well have an abomination set up within it if there's no Temple.

Not to mention the intended audience of Luke's gospel was Gentiles who wouldn't care one jot nor tittle what defect in priestly ritual qualified as an "abomination", whereas Matthew, writing for Jewish Christians, made sure to collect all the Old Testament prophetic plot coupons.


 * Multiple eyewitness accounts of something we’ve already been expecting to happen occurring is really good evidence for it.

Prosecution: "Where did you first see the risen Lord?"

Eyewitness #1 (Matthew): "We first saw Him at a mountain in Galilee."

Eyewitness #1 (John): "No, we first saw Him in the upper room in Jerusalem."

Judge (bringing down his gavel sharply): "Case dismissed.  Next!"


 * You haven’g provided any reason to believe that someone made up the account of Paul seeing Jesus found in Luke. We’re pretty confident that this account was written by the doctor who was a companion to Paul. We have every reason to believe he is a reliable source.

"Luke" contradicts Paul himself.

Acts 9:28 And [Paul] was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem.

Galatians 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ

And that pretty much wraps it up for "Luke".


 * “Why isn't the resurrection of Lazarus anywhere but in the Gospel of John” Argument from silence

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning,  𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡𝑏𝑜𝑟𝑛 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑑; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

St. John call your office!


 * Apostle just means one who was sent. It doesn’t necessarily have the same status as the 12.

Rev. 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Revelation teaches that in the age to come there will only be "twelve apostles of the Lamb".

If Paul is one of these twelve, what of the ministry of Matthias?


 * Paul believes Jesus really appeared to him. It wasn’t his imagination in his opinion because otherwise he wouldn’t have converted. And if Jesus had never died, there would be no reason to not believe him. It’s only because there is a bias against miracles here.

Christ's soteriology:

Repentance, water baptism, keeping the commandments, forgiving others, and faith in who he was

Paul's soteriology:

Faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Adding the law nullifies the grace of the first.

Looks like Paul met an imposter.


 * What’s the Church position on veganism?

That eating meat cannot be a sin because Christ did not sin (Hebrews 4:15), yet he ate of the Passover lamb (Luke 22:15) and also barbecued fish (Luke 24:42).


 * Consensus denies traditional authorship for, Pentateuch, Joshua, Judges, Psalms, Song of Songs, Job, Isaiah, Daniel, Chronicles. I actually don’t know if consensus would say they know with probable reasoning any of the authors of the OT. As per NT we have Fake Pauline.

True Paul (1 Thes 5:2) : "The day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night."

Fake Paul (2 Thes.2:3):"That day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."

Bonus Fake Paul (2 Thes.2:2): "True Paul is fake!"


 * Why Do Atheists Reject God’s Moral Law?

Num 15:32-35 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day...And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.


 * He's not quite right on that though. Historically speaking, the bible is true (to be trusted as the word of God) because the Church says so.

And when the Bible says some of Christ's disciples would live to see the Day of the Lord the Church simply redefines the Day of the Lord to mean the Pentecost event, which means Christ said "Some of you standing here will still be breathing in forty days." Oh boy!


 * Christians believe they exist. We just think they are demons.

Jude 1:6 "And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day."


 * He does go in depth on the word, showing that it allows a Trinity, yet one could still reconcile that doctrine with a divine simplicity.  Norman Geisler goes over many such objections to divine simplicity in his book "Systematic Theology Volume 2" (chapter 2).

Taken as a trinity God's divine simplicity fails from a quick examination of scripture. The Father has knowledge that the Son does not. The Holy Spirit has a dignity protected by unforgivability that the Father and Son do not. The Son must honor a human being (Mary) to avoid sin.


 * The god of the Bible stands up to all skepticism.

God (Psalm 147:5): "Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite."

Also God (Exodus 4:2): "And the LORD said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod."


 * Which one isn’t important. We all know God exists. But when one critically understands the evidence the conclusion is Christianity

Bible evidence rules out the Christian claim the Son of Man is divine:

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


 * Well god is not a person. But I wouldn’t care what color God was. Jesus probably resembled a modern middle eastern person. So what?

If God is not a person, then Jesus is not God.

2 Corinthians 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ


 * I believe in the God that comports to reality and is confirmed by the evidence.

That's not the God of the Bible, of course.

Psalm 147:5 Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.

Genesis 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?


 * The "context" of the poem shows Israel speaking and the Servant as an individual. The "context" does not help you at all.

Isaiah 53:3 He was despised, and forsaken of men, a man of pains, and acquainted with disease...

Deuteronomy 15:21 And if there be any blemish therein, as if it be lame, or blind, or have any ill blemish, thou shalt not sacrifice it unto the LORD thy God.

Case closed.


 * “In fact, according to the law of Moses, nearly everything was purified with blood. For without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness.” - Hebrews 9:22 NLT

Luke 5:24 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.

Forgiveness without animal sacrifice and before the cross. Imagine that!


 * How is saying Mary wasn't sinless limiting the power of God? Mary's sin or lack thereof has nothing to do with God's power. I don't have a problem with Mary at all. I'm just pointing out that literally the only person in the history of the world who was sinless was Jesus.

How is saying Mary wasn't sinless limiting the power of God? Mary's sin or lack thereof has nothing to do with God's power. I don't have a problem with Mary at all. I'm just pointing out that literally the only person in the history of the world who was sinless was Jesus.


 * Aquinas argues that the only "perfection" that is good enough to attract God's will necessarily is the divine perfection; and that anything God creates will be less than this, and hence cannot determine God's will. I think this seems right or at least plausible

On the contrary, it is written (Hebrews 5:9): "And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him."


 * Ten Commandments - eight ...Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal

Also Exodus (3:22):

But every woman shall borrow of her neighbour, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: and ye shall put them upon your sons, and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the Egyptians.


 * It does but also goes to show how needed it is for God to be in the marriage from the start. If one person converts and the other refuses, what is there to do about it? It is not right for a Christian to be in such a relationship with a secular person

1 Cor. 7:13-14 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband...


 * John tells us why he wrote his gospel. It was to bring his readers to faith in Jesus. Let's look beyond John's gospel. Let's look at "all Scripture" (2 Timothy 3:16). "The Holy Scriptures are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus" (2 Timothy 3:15).

The holy scriptures also say that wisdom is not good:

Ecclesiastes 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.


 * How dare you say you love God and hate your brother!! You are a liar! 1 John 4:20-21

Scripture:

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


 * Bible prophecy is being set up for future fulfillment read Daniel 9:27 Ezekiel 38 and 39 and Isaiah 17 for some insight

Ezekiel 12:27-28 Son of man, behold, they of the house of Israel say, The vision that he seeth is for many days to come, and he prophesieth of the times that are far off. Therefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; There shall none of my words be prolonged any more...


 * The foods that are offered to idols are an abomination to God.

1 Cor. 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.


 * Satan is the god of this world. (2 Corinthians 4:4) His purpose is to steal, kill & destroy. (John 10:10) That explains most of what you’d ask about our world on earth.

I thought God gave the Earth to mankind, not Satan.

Psalm 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.


 * He will not destroy this world when he comes. Read the word of God.

Word of God:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


 * God gave Adam dominion over the earth until he sinned. Once sin entered, Adam (and mankind) lost that position. Sin separates us from God and changes everything. Jesus is the only bridge back to God & restoration of our relationship with Him.

On the contrary, even after the flood God said (Genesis 9:2): The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth and on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given.


 * Good Lord, you're embarrassing yourself right now and proving that Paul was right to tell Timothy this. 1 Timothy 2:14 NKJV — And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. There's a reason women are forbidden from teaching, you're proving it.

If Eve was deceived and ate the apple that was not willful sin.

If Adam was not deceived, yet still ate the apple, that was willful sin.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins


 * 2 Peter 2: 4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment

Also Peter (1 Peter 5:8): Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour


 * that the Christ must suffer, and that, by being the first to rise from the dead, he would proclaim light both to the people and to the Gentiles." -Acts 26 : 22-23

First to rise?

2 Kings 13:21 And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.


 * WITHOUT LAW. LAWLESS.

God (Genesis 1:29): "Every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

God, later: (Genesis 2:17): "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it."

Eve: "You change your mind like a girl changes clothes."


 * God has turned to wage war against my enemies. Rejoice

"Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth:" ~Proverbs 24:17


 * Why did Jesus send the Apostles out and tell them to baptize people “In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” and tell them to go to the ends of the earth? Why did missionaries go to great lengths to spread the Gospel if it didn’t matter?

I guess Paul thought baptism wasn't as important as preaching and it started there.

1 Corinthians 1:17 "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect."


 * Do you know that the Bible says if a person has been born again and saved from their sin, they won’t become not Christian later on? It’s a promise.

On the contrary, it is written (2 Peter 2:20): For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.


 * The only thing I say to obtuse atheist is that their Big Bang theory ≈ Let their be light. There’s so many other examples too

Except that in the Bible theory God moved over the face of the waters before he created light, but in the Big Bang theory water came millions of years after light because oxygen was built up from lighter elements in the belly of stars.


 * This is not “the Ten.” It does not purport to be “the Ten.” This is a recapitulation that occurs between Ex 20 and Deut 5 (both the Ten).

On the contrary, it's the only one that explicitly purports that it's the Ten:

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.


 * All who trust in Him for their salvation, and not anything/anyone else, are saved. There is only one gospel, whether you were born in America or India, Catholic or Hindu. Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father.

The Bible says there are two gospels:

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;


 * Okay, it was a trick question. The correct answer is...both! The gospel of the circumcision is the same as the gospel of the uncircumcision.  Same gospel, same message, presented differently to different audiences

If that is true, then Paul would not of said he was to preach the gospel OF the uncircumcision, but the gospel TO the uncircumcized. And Jewish Christians would have also been released from observing the law, rather than only gentile ones, per the council of Jerusalem in Acts 15.


 * Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree…’ – Galatians 3:13

Also Bible (Deuteronomy 11:26-28): Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God @Elishabenabuya


 * Those who teach that you still need to keep the Law, as opposed to trusting in Jesus Christ alone, for salvation are teaching a false gospel, which is Paul's point in the other verse you quoted.

I know that was what Paul taught, but it wasn't what Jesus taught in Matthew 19:17: "... if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."


 * Have you read the book of Hebrews? It explains a lot about this.  Much of the Law was fulfilled by Jesus Christ (eg. there is no more need for animal sacrifices, they were only a temporary picture to help us understand the need and significance of a substitutionary sacrifice)

What was the need and significance of a substitutionary sacrifice? An all-powerful God could simply have mercy and forgive sins out of the goodness of his heart without blood. Jesus in Matthew 9:13 said, "Go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice."


 * As Aquinas states in the Summa, the apostles we're sent to baptize in a particular manner by Christ. And so we are faithful to that, not because we are slavishly literal, but because we do what He asked of us in the manner He asked, because we love Him.

2 Cor. 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


 * God cannot lie. That is not because of a lack of power, but because it goes against His character.  He is true and has no desire to lie.

On the contrary, it is written (2 Thessalonians 2:11): For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.


 * The previous verse says that "they did not receive the love of the truth". God is simply affirming their choice.  "You don't want to believe in a God who does not lie?  Okay, here you go!"

Why would God need to actively keep them from receiving the truth if they did not love the truth, unless there was a risk they would embrace the truth despite their lack of love for it? And wouldn't that be a good thing? As is typical, the scriptures do not make logical sense.


 * Chinese Government Is Rewriting the Bible with Communist Principles, Watchdog Group Warns.

Chinese communist revision of Acts 2:44-45 -

[44] And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

[45] And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Oh, wait...


 * This is an issue never addressed by theists. They don't simply claim a designer, they claim a *perfect* designer. One imperfection should be enough to reject that claim. They also claim one designer for all life, so the fact that it is found better elsewhere is another major flaw

On the contrary, one imperfection is sufficient to reject the creator's identity as the god of the Bible:

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.


 * Obviously, I’m not trying to win the approval of people, but of God. If pleasing people were my goal, I would not be Christ’s servant. Galatians 1:10 NLT

Also Paul (1 Corinthians 10:33):  "Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved."


 * You currently worship a creature, one of many, whereas you must worship one true immutable God, an uncreated God, uncaused First Cause, Supreme Being, one and only, who created everything out of nothing, without whom nothing came to be.

Scripture teaches us that Jesus increased in favor with God. So God can increase, which means he is not immutable.

you can't explain gravity, evolution of wing, Precambrian fossils or entropy but you're a brave little atheist, I give you that

Gravity:

Mass curves space-time.

Analogy: Two ships are traveling due north. They seem to move closer and closer together, but this is only because the geodesics they move on converge at the north pole, which they wouldn't do on a flat plane.