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 * The Left have lost their minds. They claim to be the party of science? 🙄 The Bible says that there are vast numbers of wicked spirits, mighty satanic beings & evil princes of darkness that rule the unseen world. IMHO I believe they are possessed.

Kind of hard for them to do that when they're all chained up in the pit.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


 * He also told us to take care of it. Genesis 2:15 “The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it AND KEEP IT.” We are the most important thing to him, he made that clear. But he also told us to humble ourselves, take care of the earth and praise him…

If everything was perfect before the fall, why did Adam need to work the garden and keep it?


 * I pray it’ll never be too late for you to know the truth. No repentance after death.

1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.


 * “And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.” ~ Genesis 32:28 (KJV)

Sure. Never call him Jacob again.

Genesis 46:2 And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here am I.

@Elishabenabuya


 * Do atheist believe in an afterlife or that the lights go out when we die

Job 7:9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.


 * Israel's Godly plan was always on the earth, "the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." "the Lord will be king over all the earth. On that day the Lord will be one and his name one".

1 Peter 2 James 3 John 4 Andrew 5 Bartholomew 6 Simon the Zealot 7 Matthew 8 Philip 9 Thomas 10 The other James 11 Thaddaeus 12 Judas? Matthias? Paul?


 * It was an angel which spoke with Moses,Moses himself says it and numerous other scriptures. It's God who knew Moses,not the other way around:there shall no man see my face and live...

How do you see an invisible face?

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:


 * Even born again Christians still sin, it's human nature and the flesh is corrupted. The power of JESUS is that his blood cleanses you of all sins if you truly believe. If everyone who broke the rules went to hell then there would be nobody in Heaven cept GOD

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


 * Priests do not have their tongues consecrated. Only the hands. Listen to St Thomas Aquinas: nothing touches it but what is consecrated (Summa question 82).The Israelites couldn't even touch the side of the mountain where God was residing. But your unconsecrated hands are fine.

What will consecrate the hands more effectively than the Blessed Sacrament itself?

Heb. 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? @AbbabeBlake


 * I think the Aussie lunatic that is Ken Hamm addressed this once. He said that aliens would not receive salvation because Jesus didn't die for their sins, he dies for ours.

He needs to grab "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection", put it in his tucker bag, waltz his matilda down to the nearest billabong, find himself a coolibah tree to sit under, light a nice fire, and crack the book open while he waits for the billy to boil.


 * This I knew. Friday of the crucifiction week was a high holiday for the Jewish people. No crucifiction could have taken place on a High Jewish Sabbath. The regular weekly sabbath followed on Saturday. Three days and three nights in the tomb was a literal 3 days and nights

The Romans crucified Jesus. They didn't observe Jewish holidays, and they used crucifixion as state terrorism to frighten the Jews. They could have crucified Jesus on Passover, Yom Kippur, or any day of the week. That said, Luke 23:56 has him buried just before the Sabbath.

- Isaiah 53:7.
 * "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth."

Ever read the gospel of John? Jesus answered every question Pilate had, except "What is truth?"


 * ... I am with you always -Matthew 28:20

Also Jesus: "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always." ~Matthew 26:11

For every Bible verse, there is an equal and opposite Bible verse.


 * Without the Holy Spirit, it is impossible to believe the Bible. This is not just egregious error, it's unbelief manifested by the devil who has his hand.

Does the Bible make the claim that the Holy Spirit is required to believe it, or is that merely a tradition of men?


 * Yes, death is the ultimate form of spiritual warfare. Satan would love for any person who has heard about Jesus to die in unbelief.

But sometimes Jesus causes unbelief:

"Unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."


 * Here's one that will blow your mind. Before the law, there was no sin.

Genesis 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.


 * It’s so sad. They fail to read Paul’s letter that shared all food is clean and we don’t have to fear food offered to idols.

Apparently Paul forgot the ruling of St. James in Jerusalem.

Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.


 * Matthew 11:14 Malachi 4:5-6 Of course John wasn't the literal Elijah but he had the spirit of Elijah. That's the difference. He was the fulfillment of that promise. Thanks

Eve didn't take anything as gospel so she tested the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil to see if it really killed you within a day, or it just conferred a sense of ethics like the snake said. She was the first scientist. I like to think I have the spirit of Eve.


 * God knows all things. As a Molinist I believe that God predestines all things, but does so with a knowledge of all possible worlds and in a way that leaves free will intact. For example, God predestines the gifts of salvation to all those who choose Christ.

He has foreknowledge and also the power to predestine. These are two separate things and free will has no room to operate.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


 * Nothing can take away your Salvation in Christ Jesus. Bcoz. Greater is He that is in you that him who (satan, sin, evil, darkness, etc) is in the world. Nothing is Greater than God, Christ & the Holy Ghost living in you.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;


 * I don't take pride in my sins. There are sins that are not fatal and sins that are fatal (1John 5:16-17)- like abortion and murder. It is a cause for remorse and repentance, not pride and celebration. We are called for repentance now. There is no chance of repentence after death

1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.


 * Mark 6:16 (CSB) When Herod heard of it, he said, “John, the one I beheaded, has been raised! ”

Luke 9:9 And Herod said, John have I beheaded: but who is this, of whom I hear such things? And he desired to see him.

For every Bible verse, there is an equal and opposite counter-verse.


 * So Isaiah doesn't have "pierced for our transgressions"?

It has that, and five verses later it says, "Yet it pleased the LORD to crush him by disease..."

https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1053.htm

A sacrificial lamb with disease was disqualified.


 * “Out of reverence for this Sacrament nothing is to touch It except the CONSECRATED hands of a priest.” St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa

Luke 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves

How could they obey without touching it? @AbbabeBlake


 * Implying God *learns* means God has potential to “become” and therefore changes, and that would make Him mutable and imperfect and therefore not God. How fast do you suppose Aquinas is spinning in his grave?

God changes all the time. Why, God the Son himself got smarter and smarter every day!

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.


 * God as God does not change. This is why Aquinas especially made such an important distinction between Christ’s human and divine natures; one could suffer and die while the other was inviolable. To say the Father suffers in the Son is an ancient but sadly recurring heresy.

I'm not talking about changes that happen to Christ's body, such as growing taller, which I admit God cannot do. I'm talking about his intellect, which Luke claims increased as the child aged, in light of Aquinas defining angels as spirit beings with only intellect and will.


 * Pilates question “what is truth” answered: God is truth

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11


 * So many Christians have been taught that the 7 year Tribulation is the same as God's Wrath. That's simply not true!  The Bible says they are separate - they are not the same!  I go through scripture to show this.

"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." -- Jesus

You're saying God's wrath won't be as bad as the Tribulation.


 * Add Newton’s first law of motion: a body at rest stays at rest, a body in motion stays in motion - unless acted on by an external force. So if you go back before the Big Bang - ALL matter just sat there. What acted on it to get it moving. The unmoved mover

Well, let's go visit Mister More. I see your Newton's First Law, and raise Newton's Third Law: " For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." The Unmoved Mover violates this law of reciprocity.


 * Where in the Bible God says for us Christians to lay down and wait for him to save us while evil takes over the world?

Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.


 * The Bible says that God stretched out the heavens. It doesn’t say he had to do it at the speed of light, I’m sure he can do it at any speed. Hence it appears that the universe is much older than it is, because of the speed of light.

That's great, but after he stretched the heavens out so far that entire galaxies look like little fuzzy dots, the light from those little fuzzy dots still needed billions of years to get here because light travels at the speed of, you know, light.


 * When Was Christ Born? The Bible Says September 11, 3 B.C-the Day of the Feast of Trumpets

The Bible also says it was when  Publius Sulpicius Quirinius was governor of Syria (which included the province of Judea), sometime in 6 or 7 AD.


 * The Bible says that light and dark cannot occupy the same space; light with always drive away the dark. In the same way, if God's light isn't allowed in schools, then there a lot of big empty spaces for the darkness and dark things to fill.

Also Bible (Exodus 20:21): And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was. @Elishabenabuya


 * It's signs and people being used to confirm things mostly. Never a voice, the Bible says no one has heard God's voice.

On the contrary, it is written (Deuteronomy 4:33): Did ever people hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as thou hast heard, and live?


 * Amen...there is a divine, distinct pattern and order that we see in God's creation. The Bible says His attributes are clearly seen throughout His creation, therefore, man is without excuse in his failure to acknowledge the Most High God.

At the same time, we're told the universe is really only 6,000 years old, even though God made it to look like it's billions of years old. So one of God's attributes is that he's a trickster.


 * Try actually reading the whole Bible. Jesus said that Satan is the ruler of this world it says so go actually read it. Stop pretending you are educated when clearly your unable to read a large book

On the contrary, it is written (Matthew 28:18) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


 * There is no good without being. “Good” does not exist by itself.

On the contrary, it is written by the Apostle that there is a good without being:

Romans 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.


 * It's their arguments for atheisn/against religion that Feser refutes.

It's the Bible's claim of a god which is simultaneously omniscient (Psalm 147:5) and with contingent knowledge (Genesis 18:21) that refutes theism, among many other such critical contradictions. It's a self-refuting ice cream cone. Atheists don't even need to interfere.


 * Scripture sometimes uses overly anthropomorphic language with regards to God, which is understandable considering who Genesis was originally written for. So no, that Genesis passage doesn't contradict God's omniscience. Nice try though.

The try is sufficient to rule out the god described by any existing translation of scripture.

https://biblehub.com/genesis/18-21.htm

If you have a god described by something with less anthropomorphic language I'll take a look at it, but with less enthusiasm because anybody can write anything.


 * Random thought: Why do Atheists celebrate Christmas if they don’t believe in a religion?

We hang tinsel on trees and sing songs about Santa Claus coming to town even though we don't believe in the New Testament, for the reason we dye Easter eggs and eat chocolate bunnies: because that's not in the New Testament either.


 * Amen... Amen.. Amen.. Jesus said.. I shall always be with you.. Matthew 28:20....

Also Jesus (John 12:8): For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.


 * Few women in their mid 20s remain virgins. The majority are violating the moral law in their singleness. It is a command in the moral law to be fruitful and multiply. I also asked if you would tell them that they were simply in error? Would you?

Moral law? St. Paul: "It is good for a man not to touch a woman."


 * Correct; by virtue of His human nature, he willingly underwent physical death. This is not the same thing as subordinationism, nor does this have anything to do with your claim of subordination to *God*, nor is it a subordination of the *divine* nature.

On the contrary, it is written (1 Cor.15:28): And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


 * Deist, or theist, both are equally not atheists. They all held some form of natural law theory of morality based on God, and that’s why the fact that men were created equal was significant.

A deist god doesn't hold my hand down on the stove top for all eternity to punish me for touching it.


 * Mostly animals got two of each, but the best animals got seven, right?

After Moses submitted his manuscript the publisher said, "You can't have Noah sacrificing 'of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl' because then you'll end up with just one of each and those species will end." So he went back to his word processor and bumped up the numbers.


 * Christ is God. He's not subordinate to Himself.

On the contrary, it is written (Philippians 2:8): And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.


 * Good Lord, this is bad. You're obfuscating the meaning of "human sacrifice." Willingly sacrificing your own life out of love, especially in the face of persecution, is *not* ritual killing

On the contrary, etc..

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.


 * Theistic morality is grounded in a universal Good which is beyond the personal preferences of human beings.

Universal Good: "Do not commit murder."

Universal Good, later: "Murder your helpless war captive, King Agag."

That's why atheists reject the "objective" morality of theism. Not via emotion. It's actually based on the changing whim of a capricious deity, which is subjective.


 * Ok. Why should anyone believe that code of ethics?

At a certain point in his or her life, a human being must choose to remain under the code of conduct of his or her parents and priests, or to choose a set of values by his or her own judgment. If the latter, then subsequent decisions become a reflection of who a person truly is.


 * Similarly, yes, God is necessarily omnibenevolent, but you don’t have to believe that to refer to God.

The god described in the Bible sends evil upon his own people from time to time. That god is not omnibenevolent. It is the god of the Bible that I do not assent has existence. No doubt theologians describe an omnibenevolent god, but at least the Bible is not a moving target.


 * Morality is a human construct. We invented it. It only exists in our minds. That's why we have disagreement about it. If it was universal we would have no arguments about it.

And if Bible morality was objective, then Christians would still be taking Saturday off instead of Sunday.


 * 1. It follows from divine simplicity that God always wills what is good. God’s will is identical to His goodness, so He always wills what is good. Thus, the charge of “arbitrariness” is refuted.

He always wills what is good.

1 Samuel 19:9-10 And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand. And Saul sought to smite David even to the wall with the javelin...

Well! That escalated quickly!


 * Thomas Aquinas said the soul is the shape of the body. Best thought I’ve heard ever.

Shape is not a thing, but it emerges from a series of events. An atom does not "have" a shape as an attribute. Rather, its shape is described by a partial differential equation that in turn describes what its electrons do. And the body is made up of these atoms.


 * YOU can't think of a way to reject slavery. That's what we're saying

All I have to do is affirm that it is self-evident that men are endowed with the right to liberty. Whether someone lacks the moral clarity to reject slavery on those terms, or refuse to denounce it because their source of objective morality embraces it makes no difference to me.


 * Whether or not you believe God exists, isn't the issue here. The issue here is whether the God of the Bible is a he, she, or anything in between. The Bible says He is a he.

It also said God is an invisible spirit, so how did any of the Bible's authors know God's a he if they never saw his pecker?


 * That was an angel speaking out of the bush. Exodus 3:2 [2]And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM...

If you tell me that an angel said that to Moses, then an angel claimed to be the great I AM.


 * The Bible also says that God knew us before we formed in the womb. God didn't say life starts at birth

If he knew us BEFORE we formed in the womb I guess that means life begins BEFORE conception, right? @AtheistEngineer

Adam and Eve.
 * If He curses to The 4th generation, do they have free will not to be cursed? Don't we pay for our parents sin?

Ezekiel 18:20

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.


 * God created Mary so He could easily make her pregnant

So easy he just went ahead and did it and informed Joseph of that fact later.

Matthew 1:22 ...the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.


 * WOW the Bible says those that are effeminate shall not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Is America a Christian nation or not?

The gospel according to Carl: "Salvation is by the grace of God grasped by belief in the crucified and risen Christ, plus you have to be as manly as Mike Ditka."


 * The death Jesus save us from is eternal death..those dead in Christ arent dead in true definition but sleeping..they will awake to eternal life..Hell brings eternal death

Funny how people in "eternal death" still feel pain and talk.

Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.


 * Pray that the Rapture will come

Amos 5:18 - Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.


 * Friendly reminder: the Bible says you shouldn’t work out. “The wicked run when no one is chasing them”- Proverbs 28:1 Therefore running is the devil.

For every Bible verse, there is an equal and opposite Bible verse:

1 Cor. 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.


 * No sleep for the wicked the Bible says. But Biblical God don’t sleep

On the contrary, it is written (Ecclesiastes 9:2) - All share a common destiny—the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad, the clean and the unclean, those who offer sacrifices and those who do not. As it is with the good, so with the sinful...


 * The slave in the Bible is not a property but a worker, under similar conditions as in 18th-19th century Europe.

Oh, really, did female workers in 19th Century Europe have to work for one guy for the rest of their life ala Exodus 21:7 ?


 * I'll try again. If there is a designer who could have designed the universe differently (e.g., different constants), then the constants could have been different (branched off from the actual world). This is compatible with Aristotelian modality.

A world with different constants would either BE the actual world, or it would not be. A branch that is not detectable in the actual world is indistinguishable from a non-existent branch, and a branch that is detectable would be, by definition, part of the actual world.


 * The teleological argument is really an argument _to_ design rather than _from_ design. Even so, the fact (if it so) that the universe is a product of design would seem to make atheism less plausible.

The god described in the Bible continues to interact with its creation. Atheism is the conclusion this god has not been demonstrated to exist. Atheism says nothing about a being who designed and created the universe and then isolated itself from further interaction.


 * I make no claims about that one way or the other. That's not really one of the fine-tuned parameters that Luke Barnes talks about in his article.

But all parameters that are alleged to be "tuned" are constants, so the same argument for c would apply for, say, the fine-structure constant. We don't see them change in our universe, so there's no reason to expect them to be different in counterfactual universes.