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 * I quite like Aquinas' take: while Christ possesses divine knowledge in its fullness, humans also have experiential knowledge. This is an imperfect image of divine knowledge that God doesn't need to have to be omniscient (bc perfect divine k), but Christ would have had as a human

If Christ has limited knowledge, then he takes after Dad.

Hosea 8:4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not...

a man ‘against his father,a daughter against her mother,and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;and one’s enemies will be those of his household
 * Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth.I have come to bring not peace but the sword.For I have come to set

Also Jesus (John 16:33): These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace...


 * Newton's 2nd Law states that entropy (disorder) always increases thus disproving evolution which requires a decrease in entropy.

Newton doesn't have a second law of thermodynamics. He does have a second law of motion, F=ma, and it's entirely reversible in time. The second law of thermodynamics was the work of many fellows and it is expressed as ΔS > 0. When you've sorted all that out let us know.


 * Ruth is also one the few books in the Bible to feature a woman as it's main protagonist, the only other books are Esther and the apocryphal Judith.

Women come off pretty good in Genesis, starting with Eve the first scientist, Hagar, who was the whole story of Exodus embodied, Rebekah the idea gal, Rachel, who smuggled out her father's gods by relying on the ick factor, Tamar the poker player, who raised and made Judah fold.


 * I find it a beautiful myth...and so rich with symbism. Have you studied any of the Hebrew of Genesis?

Only in cases where apologists, for example, attempt to retroject modern scientific findings on the original source material. A clear example is the definition of raqqia, "firmament"...believers try to deny the Hebrew indicates the sky is made of sheet metal.


 * 1973 Yom Kippur War: Surprise attack by combined Egyptian and Syrian forces Israel won all these wars even though out gunned out manned and out tanked. I do believe the Bible says something about those who bless Israel and those who curse her. I choose to bless & support

God to Abraham (Genesis 12:3): "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee."

Israel is not Abraham.

But if you extend the Blessing to his descendants, then you must bless the offspring of his eldest son too (the Arabs).

Whoops!

@Elishabenabuya


 * …from the current average age and mutations of a living person, you get the biblical ages of Adam and Eve. it only takes ~6000yrs or so for this to occur. Entropy doesn’t enter the universe until the fall. Time is fundamentally the measure of entropy, according to Thomas Aquinas

Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden...

If entropy did not enter the universe until the Fall how did the river go out from the garden unless the water was spontaneously converting potential energy to kinetic energy in a way that increased its entropy?


 * Christ submits to the Father according to His divinity and remains equal with Him according to His divinity. That’s why Paul speaks of Christ humbling Himself, because He freely submits to the Father.

By the law of non-contradiction, divinity cannot be, simultaneously, in a state of equality and in a state of submission. The conjunction of a thing with it's own negation cannot exist.


 * Hmmm. I wonder if that verse has any context. Did Esau disobey any commandments or dishonor his birthright or anything?

Esau was Jacob's brother, and he was starving. What good is a birthright when you're dead?

"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." (1 Timothy 5:8)


 * It's also worth noting that Jacob isn't the good guy. He's so dishonest that people use his name to mean liar after. He just values God and has faith in him. Because faith pleases God, not works.

James 2:16-17 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

He was also not actually going to die. It is impossible to die of hunger in a day.
 * "Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God." His birthright was worth more than his life.

The estate of Isaac would be divided in three. The Birthright gave the eldest son two of these three portions. You're saying a third of Isaac's cattle and sheep was worth more than Esau's life.


 * I genuinely don't understand what you're saying. Partiality is when you judge someone without considering their actions. Judging someone who is wicked as wicked isn't partiality.

Before Esau was even born he was hated of God:

"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger."


 * A much misunderstood passage, but going back to the beginning, you ignored the passage that literally says, "God shows no partiality," Romans 2:11. If you can explain that, then maybe it'll be worth it to explain the Romans passage you quoted.

My position is that the god described in the Bible DOES show partiality.

Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

If there are other verses in the Bible that claim it doesn't do that, that's a problem for Bible believers.


 * Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, bore my sins and iniquities. So I don’t have to bear them. He also bore my diseases and pains. So I don’t have to bear them. Because of Jesus, I am free. By His stripes, I was healed! Isaiah 53:4-5 NKJV

The disease he bore, all by itself, disqualified Jesus to be a sacrifice.


 * Day Night Day 2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

Also Bible (1 Thessalonians 2:3): "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition"


 * I agree with you that the rejection of reality is harmful to humanity. But I can appeal to a standard outside myself to justify that belief. You have nothing to say to a sicko who thinks rejecting reality is good

The moral standard outside yourself that you like so much says female slaves must never be released (Exodus 21:7) and demands the death penalty for picking up sticks on Saturday (Numbers 15:32-36). If you don't choose to do those things, it becomes a subjective moral standard.


 * The Jesus in Revelations is utterly unrecognizable from the Jesus in the Gospels. Once upon a time, a bunch of Christians sat together and voted on which books to include in the Canon. Why are Christians too scared to do this again? Revelations clearly doesn’t belong in the Bible

Jesus in the gospels: " Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you"

Jesus in Revelation: "I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet"


 * Except if you read for one more verse it literally gives you a situation in which they can be released, they’re just not released at the end of each term like the male slaves. Also “slavery” is different in the Old Testament. In fact, chattel slavery was punishable by death.

Today we call this situation human trafficking. Your god supposedly commands it, but we've overridden that because it violates the woman's self-evident right to liberty.


 * If you can’t answer that question then your worldview is absurd. You have to assume all those things without knowing where they come from.

Atheism isn't a worldview, it's the answer to the following question:

Q. Has the existence of a supreme being who created the universe been validly demonstrated?

The answer for an atheist is "no".

Otherwise atheists have a variety of worldviews. Mine is philosophical Taoism.


 * Jesus foretold two conclusions. The end of the Jewish system of his day, (70 CE), and the end of a global system of human rule over the earth.  Daniel 2:44.

Jesus said some listening to him on Mt. Olive would still be alive when the Son of Man came with power. That was 2,000 years ago. The Watchtower society carried on with his lousy track record of predicting the future.


 * Right but immateriality is one of them. Not only that but knowledge and truth must be grounded in something, it has to come from somewhere. And necessary truths must come from a necessary source

"And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." -- God, Exodus 33:23

With immateriality like that who needs materiality?


 * You’re a Taoist who doesn’t believe immaterial things exist?

I only believe things which are very likely. For instance, I believe that dawn will occur tomorrow because of the stability of main sequence stars like the sun and the conservation of the Earth's angular momentum. For all other things, I either understand them, or I do not.


 * Excuse me?! Wrong. Historic Christianity has always confessed God is spirit and thus immaterial

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Finger of God.

The reference to "the son of man coming in power" at Lu 21:27; Mt 24:30; Re 1:7, is about the last days of this present system.
 * Mt.16:29 and Luke 9:27 are words Jesus said privately to his disciples. Eight days before the transfiguration.

So you're saying Jesus predicted that some of the disciples would live for eight more days? Who didn't make it to the transfiguration?


 * Solomon will build the Temple. David’s line will be established through Solomon’s descendants.

Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines so who ISN'T one of Solomon's descendants?


 * Papal canonizations give off the same vibe as the deification of the Caesars in the Imperial Cult of Rome.

Now, instead of comets as signs of deification, they go with "stillbirths" that come to life a few minutes later when someone unkinks the garden hose.


 * The Novus Ordo was created by 6 Protestants & a Freemason. Are Protestants in communion with Rome?

Obviously not, since Sedes are the newest Protestant sect, and THEY are not in communion with Rome.


 * you can't explain gravity, evolution of wing, Precambrian fossils or entropy but you're a brave little atheist, I give you that.

Gravity:

Mass curves space-time.

Analogy: Two ships are traveling due north. They seem to move closer and closer together, but this is only because the geodesics they move on converge at the north pole, which they wouldn't do on a flat plane.